tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post4514298297284845737..comments2024-03-08T07:31:03.679-08:00Comments on Templestream: An Open Reply to Alex Botten and Jim GardnerRick Wardenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09689451026838986088noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-6694764798357422602014-09-01T21:31:05.417-07:002014-09-01T21:31:05.417-07:00Alex, you harp nonstop in telling folks to do your...Alex, you harp nonstop in telling folks to do your hangout or suffer defeat by not going along with it.<br />You did the same with me under one of your videos in the comment section as well as in a facebook group.<br />After seeing the way you handled yourself with a good pal of mine & the wretched implications you made by asking the most vile & perverse questions, forget it.<br />- tkbk -Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-27728240812220840312014-09-01T21:25:16.097-07:002014-09-01T21:25:16.097-07:00You lied by denying the exchange we had in a faceb...You lied by denying the exchange we had in a facebook group whereby you lost your composure when I handed you a miserable defeat. Enjoy !<br />- tkbk -Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-70245487171650224272013-04-19T11:27:10.363-07:002013-04-19T11:27:10.363-07:00Ever since Botten's failed vaginal mesh implan...Ever since Botten's failed vaginal mesh implant surgery and then being forced to undergo an entire sex change operation, (s)he's had weight gain and cellulite problems. Good thing you posted the link.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-40720102245097754492013-04-11T01:00:37.444-07:002013-04-11T01:00:37.444-07:00It is caused by the hormonal problems, weight gain...It is caused by the hormonal problems, weight gain, and many other factors.<br /><br />There are cellulite creams made with natural <br />ingredients that stimulate the skin and reduce water retention beneath the skin.<br />There may be a new and innovative cellulite treatment available now:<br />cryotherapy.<br /><br />Here is my web blog :: <a href="http://Effectivecellulitetreatment.Webs.com/" rel="nofollow">http://effectivecellulitetreatment.webs.com</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-83632131050161441312012-03-03T12:31:54.044-08:002012-03-03T12:31:54.044-08:00Alex,
>now that the author of the CFAMA blog ha...Alex,<br />>now that the author of the CFAMA blog has come out as a parody<br /><br />- Some type of link would be helpful.Rick Wardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09689451026838986088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-50898408578379987802012-03-03T09:54:05.560-08:002012-03-03T09:54:05.560-08:00Truth is that which conforms to reality.
Why do y...Truth is that which conforms to reality.<br /><br />Why do you find that so hard to understand?Alex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-36693226246835043392012-03-03T09:28:39.776-08:002012-03-03T09:28:39.776-08:00Rick, now that the author of the CFAMA blog has co...Rick, now that the author of the CFAMA blog has come out as a parody, are you going to correct your article?Alex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-33881486937745178852012-02-23T21:51:55.215-08:002012-02-23T21:51:55.215-08:00This comment is in response to this comment:
Rick:...This comment is in response to <a href="http://templestream.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/dawkins-evolution-justifies-racism-and.html?showComment=1330061608379#c2364466515224733465" rel="nofollow">this comment</a>:<br /><b>Rick: Alex Botten also believes that Sye is Christian apologist because he is greedy for money, but these types of claims are unfounded and ridiculous.</b><br />And you believe that Christianity is true - another claim which is unfounded and ridiculous :-)<br /><br />The "work" Sye is doing now certainly sounds "easier" than his previous job, and I would not be surprised to find out that it is more profitable to boot.<br /><br />Sye's motives are interesting, since he must know by now that his arguments are without merit (he's been parading them around for at least 4 years, and is still making the exact same ridiculous claims which were being refuted back then). Either he is disingenuous and is in it for the money (Alex's supposition ), he's a complete ignoramus, or he has mental problems of some kind (those positions are not mutually exclusive, and Alex's is possibly the most charitable of the 3). Take any response to this over to the "AlexHavokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05770427187548083625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-51864276537119810022012-02-15T22:00:36.764-08:002012-02-15T22:00:36.764-08:00Rick: It's "silly" to ask you to def...<b>Rick: It's "silly" to ask you to define your view of truth and the basis of your epistemology?</b><br />No Rick. The epistemology that you and Sye seem to adhere to is silly. The claims, without substantiation, that because "2 + 2 = 4" is true, God must exist.<br /><br />Presuppositional Apologetics seems ridiculous to me.<br /><br /><b>Rick: Do you believe objective truth exists, Havok? If so, why?</b><br />What part of my response didn't you like Rick?<br />Is my statement that "2 + 2 = 4" as being a necessary truth (and objective) assuming the axioms of standard arithmetic and conventional uses of the symbols?<br />What more do <i>YOU</i> want from me?<br /><br /><b>Rick: No, Havok, I've stated many times that I believe atheists are generally in a state of denial and spiritual blindness.</b><br />But you have absolutely no evidence of this Rick. You point to Romans 1, as does Sye, and say "There, that's why I believe".<br />But this is an empirical question, and you really should provide empirical evidence to back it up, otherwise you're providing nothing but a naked assertion, and one which doesn't even have the appearance of being true.<br /><br /><b>Rick: However, I do believe God does give each person enough insight in God's timing in order to be able to consciously accept or reject the truth of God's existence. This is a point that can be backed up with scripture.</b><br />And since scripture is mistaken, then your point has absolutely no force.<br />Rick, you really should try to at least pretend to live in the real world, and back up your claims with some reasonable evidence.Havokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05770427187548083625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-37435919963122813002012-02-15T21:53:52.622-08:002012-02-15T21:53:52.622-08:00>What do you mean Rick?...This just seems silly...>What do you mean Rick?...This just seems silly to me.<br /><br />- It's "silly" to ask you to define your view of truth and the basis of your epistemology? Do you believe objective truth exists, Havok? If so, why?<br /><br />>everyone who claims not to have experience of your specific (probably incoherent) conception of God is a despicable liar.<br /><br />- No, Havok, I've stated many times that I believe atheists are generally in a state of denial and spiritual blindness. However, I do believe God does give each person enough insight in God's timing in order to be able to consciously accept or reject the truth of God's existence. This is a point that can be backed up with scripture.Rick Wardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09689451026838986088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-70694125997826437392012-02-15T15:24:02.896-08:002012-02-15T15:24:02.896-08:00Rick, this Jesus & Mo comic highlights what I&...Rick, <a href="http://www.jesusandmo.net/2012/02/15/costs/" rel="nofollow">this Jesus & Mo comic</a> highlights what I'm talking about when I say you don't care about the truth.Havokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05770427187548083625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-74016235152927854352012-02-14T22:02:46.533-08:002012-02-14T22:02:46.533-08:00Rick: According to Alex Botten, Sye TenBruggencate...<b>Rick: According to Alex Botten, Sye TenBruggencate (and all Christians by implication) are despicable liars by virtue of the fact that we believe the Bible and affirm that the reality of God's existence is manifested by God to all people through nature and the conscience (as Romans 1 outlines).</b><br />I just wanted to point out that because you (and Sye) believe Romans 1 is true (without <i>any</i> further justification of the claim, youa re in essence stating that <i>everyone</i> who claims not to have experience of your specific (probably incoherent) conception of God is a despicable liar.<br /><br />It's hypocritical of you (and Sye) to accuse Alex of something when you freely admit to what amounts to the same thing. People in glass houses and all that :-)Havokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05770427187548083625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-21100482716652766882012-02-14T21:40:30.246-08:002012-02-14T21:40:30.246-08:00Rick: - Compared to what?
Compared to someone who ...<b>Rick: - Compared to what?</b><br />Compared to someone who is willing to follow the arguments and evidence wherever they lead.<br />Compared to someone who is willing to further their education.<br /><br /><b>Rick: Get real, Havok. </b><br />If "Getting Real" involves the same level of denial of reality that your delusional beliefs have led you to, then I think I'd prefer not to. Thanks though.<br /><br /><b>Rick: I believe that absolute, eternal and unchanging truth exists in addition to relative truth.</b><br />And yet in previous comments and posts you've not really been able to decide just what it is that you mean when you say "absolute, eternal, unchanging" truth, which leads me to doubt that you have a coherent picture of what you mean - the words sound good to you, and sound like they mean something "real important" to you, so you repeat them.<br /><br /><br /><b>Rick: So what is your personal belief about truth, Havok? A, B or some other interesting variation? I am really interested to know.</b><br />What do you mean Rick?<br />I can prove that given some simple axioms of mathematics and the usual usage of symbols, that "2 + 2 = 4" is true. In fact, given the axioms and usage of symbols, this is a necessary truth.<br />But I don't see how this can or does say anything about anything outside of the formal system called "mathematics", nor that these axioms exist as anything other than concepts of this formal system (I'm not a Platonist about numbers or Math).<br /><br />What you seem to want to claim is that because "2 + 2" cannot result in anything other than "4", given the assumptions above, that this means there is something "transcendant" involved. This is the same thing which Sye seems to claim in his ridiculous "Presuppositional apologetic". You both seem to be committed to the claim that "Logic" can only be explained with reference to your specific God, and therefore you find any other explanation to be lacking (because it doesn't reference God).<br /><br />This just seems silly to me.Havokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05770427187548083625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-82786096585500242852012-02-14T21:26:17.196-08:002012-02-14T21:26:17.196-08:00Havok,
>you don't care about truth
- Com...Havok,<br /><br />>you don't care about truth <br /><br />- Compared to what? Let's see...<br /><br />A: "If it's true for you and it works for you, then it's true."[21] <br /><br />B: "Everything that exists is truth."<br /><br />Get real, Havok. <br /><br />I believe that absolute, eternal and unchanging truth exists in addition to relative truth. <br /><br />So what is your personal belief about truth, Havok? A, B or some other interesting variation? I am really interested to know.Rick Wardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09689451026838986088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-85138139752384979532012-02-14T16:42:14.683-08:002012-02-14T16:42:14.683-08:00Alex, Jim, just listening to the podcast Rick link...Alex, Jim, just listening to the podcast Rick links as reference [21].<br />Sye's ridiculous presuppositional apologetic and laughable approach to epistemology deserves ridicule - it's to your credit that you continued the podcast rather than simply laughing in his face.<br /><br />Rick, it doesn't surprise me that you support people like Sye - you don't care about truth (neither does Sye), rather, as I've said repeatedly, you care only about defending your false beliefs from disconfirmation.Havokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05770427187548083625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-62184137973694337112012-02-13T22:17:51.959-08:002012-02-13T22:17:51.959-08:00Jim, for the record, do you believe there are any ...Jim, for the record, do you believe there are any untrue statements in the above article?Rick Wardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09689451026838986088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-62288932921576385912012-02-13T22:16:08.404-08:002012-02-13T22:16:08.404-08:00Jim, your comment is a bit ironic.
Your answer t...Jim, your comment is a bit ironic. <br /><br />Your answer to Sye, as noted in the above article, states: "If it's true for you and it works for you, then it's true."[21] <br /><br />Your answer bears a striking resemblance to the textbook medical definition of psychosis:<br /><br />"Psychosis is a symptom or feature of mental illness typically characterized by ... impaired functioning, and a distorted or nonexistent sense of objective reality."<br /><br />http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/psychosisRick Wardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09689451026838986088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-63775461254382275092012-02-11T07:54:53.029-08:002012-02-11T07:54:53.029-08:00I mean this in no small way. Seek help.I mean this in no small way. Seek help.Jimhttp://howgoodisthat.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-7463314121248851182012-02-07T05:13:44.816-08:002012-02-07T05:13:44.816-08:00rick, do you side with every single baseless accus...rick, do you side with every single baseless accusation of libel if it's made by a fellow reality denier?<br /><br />Looked at the Christians for a Moral America blog recently? If you have you'll see google have deleted it due to huge numbers of complaints about its content. Happy to align yourself with the antisemite, racist, homophobe who writes it?<br /><br />Seems to me that you're not overly picky when it comes to choosing allies - as long as they pay lip service to Christianity you apparently immediately side with them, regardless of how vile or deluded they are.<br /><br />You can still save a tiny amount of face by joining Jim and I for a skyped debate, though i fear that your lack of conviction in your risible 'argument' will prevent you from doing so!Alex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-65121747272066330832012-02-06T19:49:55.701-08:002012-02-06T19:49:55.701-08:00For the record, the following note has been added ...For the record, the following note has been added to the above article:<br /><br />Note: Upon reviewing the article, Alex Botten pointed out in the Blogger comments that the question of libel had been resolved according to Alex's understanding. However, upon reviewing the referenced post, Sye Ten Bruggencate Threatens Me With Libel Action!!, as of February 7, 2012, there has been no update and no note in the blog post to indicate that this serious accusation has been resolved. On February 5, I offered Alex an opportunity to point out any facts in my article he believes are untrue: "Unlike you, Alex, I'm willing to make edits to my article if you can show me something that is not true or is blatantly misleading. You are welcome to point out what you believe is untrue." His reply February 5 was the following: "Rick, you're obviously too far gone, religion has destroyed your ability to think rationally. What a shame."Rick Wardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09689451026838986088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-21086882635617197682012-02-06T01:06:05.167-08:002012-02-06T01:06:05.167-08:00Just for the record, Rick. You never deleted your ...Just for the record, Rick. You never deleted your blatantly false article <br /><br />http://templestream.blogspot.com/2011/10/french-theater-act-highlights.html<br /><br />The theater piece was in fact pro theistic. Yet, you never bowered to correct your article and left all the nonsense untouched. Unless someone insists on your correcting the mistake, you do not. <br /><br />That is only to show one more time that you have no interest in truth, Rick.<br /><br />P.S. Still waiting for you to squirm your way out of Vilenkin s straight answerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-21647818513117023752012-02-05T23:42:38.222-08:002012-02-05T23:42:38.222-08:00I see you're still a master of 'ignoring&#...I see you're still a master of 'ignoring' me!<br /><br />Rick, you're obviously too far gone, religion has destroyed your ability to think rationally. What a shame.Alex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-59918209957749899492012-02-05T23:40:39.825-08:002012-02-05T23:40:39.825-08:00Bob, you should see a psychiatrist about that tran...Bob, you should see a psychiatrist about that transference and projection of yours.Alex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-4810031861867278192012-02-05T22:36:24.233-08:002012-02-05T22:36:24.233-08:00>Why should I care about what Dawkins or Meyers...>Why should I care about what Dawkins or Meyers do? Why is that at all relevant to our interaction? <br /><br />- I consider context important, alex. I find the double standards exhibited by atheist personalities to be enlightening and amusing. I can understand why you don't like to have double standards pointed out to you.<br /><br />>you can start by deleting your frankly insane rant above <br /><br />-There seem to be two possibilities of why you are upset:<br /><br />1) The article is NOT TRUE and it upsets you for this reason.<br /><br />2) The article IS TRUE and it upsets you for this reason.<br /><br />Unlike you, Alex, I'm willing to make edits to my article if you can show me something that is not true or is blatantly misleading. You are welcome to point out what you believe is untrue.<br /><br />>try to save some face by apologising for spewing out such nonsense.<br /><br />- This is rich. You lie about me, you slander Sye, your partner Gardner blatantly censors me from his blog and you want me to apologize. It seems it is you and your team who needs to apologize, Alex.<br /><br />1) This is a lie, Alex:<br /><br />"“including the frankly ludicrous claim that we refused to debate him (despite the fact that Jim posted lengthy replies on his site)”<br /><br />2) This is blatant, unjustified slander:<br /><br />"I think you knowingly lie to people to make money and I think with that in mind you are a despicable human being."<br /><br />3) Gardner's censorship deserves an apology. <br /><br />Gardnder writes a lopsided article about me, censors my comments, and writes his own comment as follows: <br /><br />January 18 - Note: Rick has finally replied to my emails. He isn’t interested in anything. At all. Next!<br /><br />If you and your team admit these actions were unjustified and wrong, I'll make a note in the article. At this point, I really don't see any need to delete my article.<br /><br />It seems many atheists have a very lopsided view of justice because they present so many absurd double standards. This seems to be in keeping with Gardner's view of truth:<br /><br />"If it's true for you and it works for you, then it's true."<br /><br />If that is really your team's view of truth, then why are you upset at all, Alex? This is just "my truth" and you have "your truth". So, our truth's are apparently different. <br /><br />If your worldview is true and there is really no objective truth, then what's the big whoop?Rick Wardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09689451026838986088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1645439856635422478.post-24814163693805730962012-02-05T13:22:38.549-08:002012-02-05T13:22:38.549-08:00Hi Rick,
For the record, Jim has not been abusive...Hi Rick,<br /><br />For the record, Jim has not been abusive toward me.<br /><br />I'm glad that you got the CV remark, I think it is quite fitting for the rocket surgeon in question. Why would I want to debate, let alone, enter into discussion with, someone who:<br />* Has no respect for others;<br />* Is motivated by pure hate;<br />* Made an unprovable assertion, I called him on it, he still did not understand it, and has consistently proven that his understanding of the most elementary principles of logic are fundamentally flawed;<br />* When I wrote about him embarrassing himself further but did not name him, he came along and identified himself;<br />* Told me to commit suicide, and I left the comment on my Weblog to further illustrate that atheism causes brain damage;<br />* When another angry atheist on Twitter demanded my name and location (there was a threat of violence), he told him what he thought was my name, and my location;<br />* I am told that he has continued to write numerous nonsensical rants about me, and other Christians;<br />* Begged, badgered, belittled me in efforts to do his silly podcast after all this;<br />* Debunks the astronomers, biologists, geologists and other experts with the pure logic of "That's not true!"<br /><br />Yep, sheer genius at work.Bob Sorensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00800047570447946018noreply@blogger.com